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Cynic пишет: ↑28 дек 2021, 21:36
Если у вас есть кого спросить, спросите, интересно что скажут.
Да уж кто-то и спрашивал, инет бездонен.
Ну, может, при случае.
Cynic пишет: ↑28 дек 2021, 21:36
Но тут нужно иметь ввиду, что то как человек будет воспринимать эти фразы зависит от его опыта - как говорили в семье? как принято говорить в том месте где он живет? и т.д. Также очевидно, что люди например с лингвистическим образованием воспримут ваш вопрос в гораздо более ином свете, чем обычный не подготовленный обыватель, и ответы будут разными.
Оно понятно; но нужно иметь в виду, что эта конструкция относится к базовым, поэтому расхождения в её восприятии вряд ли возможны.
Cynic пишет: ↑28 дек 2021, 21:36
Ну разница может быть типа:
there have been tested new groups of fungicides - были протестированы новые группы фунгицидов (тут говорят о действии которое закончилось)
there have been new groups of fungicides tested - были новые группы протестированный фунгицидов (а тут о существовании объекта)
Во втором варианте пояснительного перевода вы становитесь заложником своего понимания оборота
there+to be, а на самом деле такое понимание не натягивается.
Cynic пишет: ↑28 дек 2021, 21:36
Ну чтоб знать что такое вообще бывает, может я чего не правильно понял.
Ну, когда повстречаетесь, тогда и убедитесь, что такое вообще бывает и чего именно неправильно понимаете.
Для этого достаточно, например, наткнуться на примеры, где ваш парафраз с разрывом глагольной формы в принципе не представим.
(1963)
After 1944, there were created conditions favourable for the reconstruction and modernization of the refineries destroyed by air raids which had to such an extent disorganized the processing activity that it had reached its lowest level ...
(1921)
With the development of the milk industry in Esthonia there were created cooperative creamery associations, which in 1917 numbered 138. They compete successfully with private enterprises.
(1942)
Under him there were created three divisions -- really four divisions. There was the Division of Statistics and Planning. That was headed by Mr. Donald Belcher, of the American Telephone & Telegraph Co.
(1928)
At last there were created four men. By the joint efforts of all of these the sky perfect men out of yellow and white maize: Balam was raised to its present altitude. As a token of Quitze, Balam Agab, Mahucutah, and Iquibalam ...
(2013)
But as soon as the option was exercised and the shares registered in the trustees' name, there was created a valid trust of the shares in favour of the children's settlement. Not being a trust of land, it could be created without any ...
(1964)
There was created last year a private organization called Education and World Affairs, which is not as yet terribly well known but I think will be in time. It was created by several foundations that contributed to it, and grew out of ...
(2018)
In addition, there was created an illusory but existing world of “enlightened well-being” with idealized pictures of the park, the town, agricultural lands, villages, and estates. And in the center was the nucleus of the ensemble, ...
(1989)
The first part of the legend reads as follows:
The [- sic] prophet Jeremiah was alone, working with the book Yezirah. There came a voice from heaven saying, "Obtain for yourself a companion." He went to his son Sira, and they studied the book for three years. Then they set to work on the alphabets, according to the Cabbalistic principles of combination, compilation, and word formation; and there was created unto them a man on whose brow were the words: YHWH Elohim Emeth. But there was a knife in the hand of that newly created man with which he scratched out the aleph from emeth, [- sic] this left meth. Thereupon, Jeremiah rent his garments and said, "Why do you scratch the aleph from emeth?"
(1955)
All national armies were abolished and there was created a single European army and they were supposed to train together, to have a common uniform and in all respects be merged into a single European army under a single head, a single ...
(1913)
And so there was created a great mass of civil servants who were in reality permanent employees although they were called temporary.
(1932)
By this measure there was created in Indian administration a 'diarchy', dividing political power between the native population and the Indian Civil Service. The Report explicitly stated that this was merely a transitional measure, and ...
Разорвать глагольную форму в большинстве случаев не представляется возможным, в частности, по причине большой длины реального подлежащего. Можно отметить также, что при таком построении предложения, бывает, и обстоятельство стоит сразу после пассивной глагольной формы перед реальным подлежащим.
Примеры отобрал не старше прошлого века, о контекстах легко судить о отрывкам.