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Можно вести список нарицательных имен-фамилий, которыми называют ими других людей с определенными характеристиками.

Мне попадались:
Debbie Downer
Practical Polly

Может, еще есть подобные.
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Zlatko_Berrin пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 17:39 Debbie Downer
She's number 3 in this list of twenty archetypes for people based on name, if it is what you're looking for.
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Aksamitka пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 18:16Karen
Becky:-)
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Oops... было в списке
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Johnny-on-the-spot
Contrary Mary
Moaning Minnie
Plain Jane
Zlatko_Berrin, hey mate, rise to the fly!:-) Is this what you're in search of?
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VictorB,
Is this what you're in search of?
Not that I was in search of the most exhaustive list of archetypes of the kind, but thanks =D I just thought it would be a good idea to keep track of such names for, you know, educational and broadening horizons purposes like in that thread of yours.
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Fertile Myrtle
Good-time Charlie
John Q. Public
Shrinking Violet
Clever Dick
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 21:59 John Q. Public
+1
Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public suffered no great deprivations.
Variants or less commonly: John Q./John Q. Citizen
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 21:59 Shrinking Violet
= wallflower?
Easy-Breezy English, violet isn't a name here, is it? So, should it be capitalized?
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VictorB пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 23:00 violet isn't a name here
Oh, I was certain it was a girl's name and a play on words (name-flower). Thought that all along. I guess it's not and shouldn't be capitalized then, you're right.

Hm, now I'm starting to wonder about clever Dick. 🤔😆
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 21:59 Clever Dick
Easy-Breezy English, this is my favorite of the batch. Sounds hilariously...hm... ambiguous, if I think of it:)
Please, don't take me as the one of this ilk, commenting peskily on your examples... I like them very much and don't think I'll forget any one :)
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 23:12 Hm, now I'm starting to wonder about clever Dick.
LOL! That's what I mean))) It's BrE, though, according to the MW dictionary.. I think it may be written both capitalized and not --it depends:) Do you agree?
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VictorB пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 23:15 It's BrE, though
I definitely heard it in the US, but it could've been from my MIL, who, as you know, was British. I'd be a lot more likely to say "smart ass", but I like this dick expression nonetheless. It's fun.

I'm not sure if it's supposed to be capitalized or what. I guess you can play it either way, whichever suits your interpretation better. 😁
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Jack the Lad
Soapy Sam
Peter Pan
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John/Jane Doe
There are many variants to the above names, including "John Roe", "Richard Roe", "Jane Roe" and "Baby Doe", "Janie Doe" or "Johnny Doe" (for children).
"Joe Bloggs" and "Fred Bloggs" (UK)
Joe Shmoe (also spelled Joe Schmoe and Joe Schmo)
Any Tom, Dick or Harry
Jane Smith

Mr. Right (fem.: Miss Right)
Jack/Jill-of-all-trades[, master of none]
Johnny-come-lately/JCL
the real McCoy
Johnny One-Note
Larry Leadfoot
a right Charlie
Charlie [ˈtʃɑːlɪ] N
1. (Brit) (o.f.) (= fool) → imbécil m
I felt a right Charlie! → ¡me sentí como un idiota!
he must have looked a right Charlie! → ¡debía parecer un verdadero imbécil!
Hooray Henry
nosy parker
stage-door Johnny
square john (fem. square-john broad)

John Bull
Jack Tar
John(ny) Law / Big John / Peter Jay / Johnny-be-good (dated slang)
Uncle Sam

put your John Hancock/John Henry
a Dear John letter

Heath Robinson (UK) and Rube Goldberg (US)
a [painted] Jezebel (obsolete, derogatory)
a Rip van Winkle
a Walter Mitty
a Daniel come to judgement

Zlatko_Berrin, you might find this thread somewhat relevant to your search.=)
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Yety пишет: 11 ноя 2021, 02:02Johnny One-Note
Yety пишет: 11 ноя 2021, 02:02 Johnny-come-lately/JCL
Yety пишет: 11 ноя 2021, 02:02Johnny-be-good
Yety, my good friend, how come that you missed Johny-on-the spot and merry-andrew/M&A ))) Now that I've added them, I can peacefully hit the sack. Oh, there's also Adam Henry, and that's that for now:-)
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VictorB пишет: 11 ноя 2021, 04:04 how come that you missed Johny-on-the spot and merry-andrew/M&A )))
Well, just avoided repetition.=)
The former:
VictorB пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 18:42 Johnny-on-the-spot
The latter is #14 on your initial list at DWT above:
14. Merry Andrew: a clownish person; based on an archetypal clown act
VictorB пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 18:42 there's also Adam Henry
For that sort of vocab you might want to check idioms with 'Tomas', 'molly' and 'sweet Fanny Adams/sweet FA"....😎
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a gorgeous long-tall-Sally

Jim Crow (laws)

play Old Harry with (my stomach)

to sham Abraham/Abram obsolete

the old Adam (got a hold of me)

Dick Tracy (, snooping around here)

the Old Bill British English, informal, dated slang
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Zlatko_Berrin пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 20:03 it would be a good idea to keep track of such names for, you know, educational and broadening horizons purpose
Just make sure to mark those that are in current use. Like, from this list, only the first one is:

Debbie Downer
Practical Polly
Johnny-on-the-spot
Contrary Mary
Moaning Minnie
Plain Jane
Jack the Lad
Soapy Sam
Peter Pan

Plain Jane is the only other one that I think anyone would even recognize in this age. But then again... they might all be British. What do I know. :-)
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 01:08 Johnny-on-the-spot
Contrary Mary
Moaning Minnie
Plain Jane
Jack the Lad
Soapy Sam
Peter Pan

Plain Jane is the only other one that I think anyone would even recognize in this age. But then again... they might all be British. What do I know.
Easy-Breezy English, those were my two cents.
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 10 ноя 2021, 21:59 Fertile Myrtle
Good-time Charlie
John Q. Public
Shrinking Violet
Clever Dick
Those were yours, and I take it that they all are in current use.
What about the rest?
Even if the TS doesn't mention the current usability, and since you felt like singling out seven particular items in quite a long list, which other ones do you think would be recognizable at this age (in the USA)?
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VictorB пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 14:40 Easy-Breezy English, those were my two cents.
Victor, it was nothing about your particular list, my friend. :-) I just got bored and stopped there.
VictorB пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 14:40 Those were yours, and I take it that they all are in current use.
Not even. Most are ancient.
VictorB пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 14:40 What about the rest?
Fertile Myrtle - VERY old. So is Mattress Millie (a woman who sleeps around or is a prostitute) — very outdated.

Good-time Charlie - Also very old and outdated.

John Q. Public - Used occassionally, mostly by legislators and lawyers.

Shrinking Violet - Extremely old, too.

Johnny-come-lately - This would probably have been completely forgotten if not for the song by the Eagles in the 1970s. I don’t think anyone under 40 would know what it meant.

Johnny-one-note - Never heard it.

Larry Leadfoot - Super old. Means a driver who speeds.

Hooray Henry - Never heard it.

Nosy Parker - Very old. It’s like something in the dialog from Mr. Burns on the Simpsons.

John Bull - Heard it, but so old I don’t remember what it means.

Rip van Winkle - again, extremely outdated.

Walter Mitty - I vaguely remember hearing that somewhere long ago. Definitely not in popular usage!

There’s also Wrong Way Corigan from long ago. Few people today would know what it meant, but as you might guess, someone who goes in the wrong direction. This was based on a pilot back in the 1930s who was supposed to fly from New York to Los Angeles, but ended up in Ireland.

Sorry, I just can't go on anymore.😆
I don't understand the value of such lists anyway. If you hear something like that, it makes sense to look it up, but doing it the other way around is just weird. You'll never know if it's actually used.

A few references that would be understood today:
Jeckyl and Hyde personality (quick to anger, often said of Sicilians);
Darth Vodka (very modern reference to a manga character who’s always drunk and irresponsible);
Ralph (slang for vomit).
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 15:51 Walter Mitty - I vaguely remember hearing that somewhere long ago. Definitely not in popular usage!
This is such a sweet film, imo.
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 15:51 I don't understand the value of such lists anyway. If you hear something like that, it makes sense to look it up, but doing it the other way around is just weird. You'll never know if it's actually used.
I totally get what you mean. Yet I see no reason why not look through such a list. You don't have to use all those 'sobriquets' - it's good enough to be forewarned/forearmed when you do come across them actually used.

Let's take
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 15:51 Larry Leadfoot - Super old. Means a driver who speeds.
for example.

And let's say we never watched anything like this: or this, ftm:
One of the cases where the expression seems to be widely used is in maths problems about velocity and other references to the proverbial speeder:
Basic Algebra: A Guided Approach - Page 162
Robert A. Carman, ‎Marilyn J. Carman · 1977
Larry Leadfoot is driving 60 mph on a highway where the speed limit is 55 mph . He is being chased by a highway patrol car traveling at 80 mph . If the patrol car was 3 miles behind Larry when the chase started , how far will Larry ...

R Companion to Elementary Applied Statistics - Page 242
Christopher Hay-Jahans · 2019
Two friends, “Handbrake” Harry and “Leadfoot” Larry, got into a heated discussion about Handbrake's reflexes.2 Leadfoot insisted that Handbrake's reflexes are all over the place; that is, his reflex times have a high standard deviation.

The Jurisprudent Physician: A Physician's Guide to Legal ...
Margaret Dean · 1999
2 Larry Leadfoot , Wanda Wheeler , and Valerie Victim live and drive in Pothole City , USA . One day , Larry Leadfoot fails to pay attention to traffic and his truck strikes the back end of Wanda Wheeler's car .

Fundamentals of Business Mathematics
Walter E. Williams, ‎James H. Reed · 1996
Larry Leadfoot failed to negotiate a turn and crashed into a tree causing $ 5,600 damage to his car . Neither Larry nor his girlfriend were wearing seat belts , and they suffered serious injuries resulting in medical expenses of $ 6,000 ...
Knowing that it's an idiom in advance doesn't hurt, imo.

There are quite a few examples where Leadfoot is used as a nickname in dialogue:
Saved: A Novel
Jack Falla · 2015
Quig started apologizing again for the fight when Leadfoot Larry Jankowski yelled at us: “Let's go, guys, got to resurface. We got Sesame Street on Ice tonight.” Leadfoot Larry drives the Zamboni as though he thinks it's a tank and he's ...

Classical Villainy: A Four Corners Mystery - Page 133
Howard P. Hanson · 2002
Ah, I don't know if you remember me, it's Larry Johnson—you know, Leadfoot? From the train last week.” “Mr. Johnson, good morning. Certainly I remember you. And thank you for your discretion the evening of that accident.
It well may be super old, but it looks like it's still living.
And well, even if it's not, I don't care - it's a cool alliteration all the same.
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Easy-Breezy English, thank you very much for responding in detail. As always you've been a great help:-)
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 ноя 2021, 15:51 I don't understand the value of such lists anyway.
To me, any bit of new information concerning English usage is not useless.
I like having various lists at hand, arranged thematically in a self-made, updatable (once in a while) ebook that I've been "writing" for some time. And even if I don't know beforehand whether I'll ever need a certain list, sooner or later one or the other does come in handy. As for this thread's particular list, I agree on its marginal relevance to the don't-miss-it stuff for an ESL learner. At the same time, it came out to be quite an interesting list, IMO, and if it helped someone to expand their linguistic horizons an inch further, a fairly useful one at that:-)

By the way, I've taken note of the expression "Not even" you used in your comment - it was new to me.
Or is it an exclamation equivalent to the Russian "А вот и нет!" or something like that?
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