Is it possible to say so?
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They are known to have arrived tomorrow by 3 p.m. - Известно, что они приедут завтра до трёх. Возможно ли в принципе соединением пассивного залога и совершенного времени выразить будущее совершенное, или все-таки придется делить предложение на несколько частей? Спасибо.
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Возможно, но другим образом "it is known that they will have arrived..."KirillAndruk пишет: ↑24 сен 2021, 20:54 Возможно ли в принципе соединением пассивного залога и совершенного времени выразить будущее совершенное
They are known to have arrived означает, что они уже прибыли.
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С другими глаголами, могущими быть ориентированными в будущее:KirillAndruk пишет: ↑24 сен 2021, 20:54 Возможно ли в принципе соединением пассивного залога и совершенного времени выразить будущее совершенное
They arè expected/supposed/obliged to have arrived by 3 pm tomorrow.
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Кирилл, а какова цель ваших изысканий? Ведь то, что так можно, необязательно означает, что так нужно.
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I doubt you'll ever hear anyone use this construction with a future verb with any verb.
OTOH this is OK:
They are expected/supposed/obliged to have it finished/completed/done by 3 pm tomorrow.
PS I agree with Easy-Breezy that we are wasting time on an all-but-irrelevant grammatical structure. I have recently passed over into the four-score age category and can say that I have never used it.
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Do you think there's any difference in meaning between these phrases?
They are expected to have it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get done with it by 3 pm tomorrow.
Just curious.
Thanks!
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Thanks. I've found the source of the quote. So, using it in my speech addressed to them may also show my nodding acquaintance with their history? Or you're warning me against using it, at least in informal conversations, to not be taken as a bit too smart for my own good? )))
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Easy-Breezy English, To me, they seemed to mean the same thing. Hadn't this question been put by you, I'd never have doubted their interchangeability. Now that you have asked it... I'm trying desperately to grope for nuanсes in the usage—to no avail so far :(Easy-Breezy English пишет: ↑26 сен 2021, 14:44 Do you think there's any difference in meaning between these phrases?
They are expected to have it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get done with it by 3 pm tomorrow.
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I don't know. The last one is the most unlikely (it is very unusual and would sound a little better with "be done"). The second one seems (to me) to have the meaning that "it" hasn't been started yet but they are expected to get it done by 3 pm tomorrow.Easy-Breezy English пишет: ↑26 сен 2021, 14:44 They are expected to have it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get it done by 3 pm tomorrow.
They are expected to get done with it by 3 pm tomorrow.
"to have it done by 3 pm" suggests (to me) more that they are working on "it" today, but completion is expected by 3 tomorrow.
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In talking to someone you will be hard pressed to find a place into which you could incorporate any part of this quotation. And, given the general dumbing-down of Americans' intelligence over the past several decades, you are more likely to get a deer-in-the-headlights blank stare!
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Easy-Breezy English,
Taking it from you, I won't. I agree with Chaika on the unnaturalness of "to get done with", though:)
BTW, trying to be consistent in solving my ESL problems, I posted this question, actually yours here, as mine there:
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions ... 650#298650
I do hope you won't take it as an absolutely unpardonable liberty--I just couldn't help it:)
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