"He's gone to the market" without the contraction,
when should it be written no other way than (1) "He is gone* to the market" and when (2) "He has gone to the market"?
So far, my only take on it is that the first one always means that the one who went to the market is supposed to be still there (or elsewhere, or on their way back home) at the moment of speaking, whereas the second may both mean and not mean that (i.e. they may already be back, which the fresh food in the fridge shows).
If it's something like the "ушел-пошел" difference, then it is absolutely ungraspable for an ESL learner, at least to me. The "ушел (но еще не пришел) - сходил (и вернулся)" analogy is perfectly graspable, but my gut tells me that there's some more to it--as far as the subtleties go.
Could anyone kindly shed some (more) light on it for me?
*That "gone" is an adjective" here (as in "Gone Girl"/"Gone with the Wind", I do guess.
P.S. I know that enough is as good as a feast, but there's also the "be finished with smth. vs. have finished smth."
and the AE "be done with smth." issue that, too, is slightly gnawing me at the moment.
I mean: What does the use of the one, but not the other depend on (unless they can be used interchangeably)?
So, if someone were so kind as to help me make heads or tails of those too, I'd be more than happy :-)
"be gone to" vs. "have gone to"
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There's really not much point mentioning the direction/destination (to the market) if you just want to emphasize that the person isn't here: He is gone. If the destination is mentioned, then normally it should be considered a contraction of "has".
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No buts there, I'm afraid.=))
is debatable, but who cares.=)
An Easter Grammar Lesson: He is Risen (Грамматика)
Unlike 'is gone', which is just as popular as 'has gone', 'is come' is obsolete.
https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/01/is-come.html
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Once in a while, you have to be shown the futility of looking for something where there's nothing at all to be found. At the same time, how else if not by opening the door can you tell that the room you're entering in search of that something is not only completely dark but also entirely empty. Thanks for turning on the light for me, and for the links :-)
(By the way, just to stay consistent, I tried a couple of other doors--I hate my being that boneheaded, sometimes--predictably, to no avail.)