Juliemiracle: blog

Личные дневники, заметки, темы для мелких вопросов и подобного. Не более трех тем для каждого участника форума.

Модератор: Aksamitka

Аватара пользователя
Juliemiracle
Сообщения: 4482
Зарегистрирован: 02 мар 2018, 18:25
Благодарил (а): 1174 раза
Поблагодарили: 2564 раза

#1

Сообщение Juliemiracle »

I'm going to somehow follow into [mention]Mary May[/mention]'s footsteps and try to limit my writing to the confines of this blog.
I'm also going to make some comments about other forum posts that I find interesting, adding the links to the source posts, of course.
За это сообщение автора Juliemiracle поблагодарили (всего 6):
Yety, mustang, Eager Beaver, Belka_Teacher, cherkas, Mary May
Eager Beaver
Сообщения: 3222
Зарегистрирован: 12 авг 2018, 14:01
Благодарил (а): 901 раз
Поблагодарили: 1191 раз

#101

Сообщение Eager Beaver »

cherkas, you might want to have a look, especially at the part about herd immunity.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#102

Сообщение cherkas »

Eager Beaver, herd, да. Thanks a lot. There are about 60 minutes, could you tell me the timіng? Maybe in the topic in флудилка?
Последний раз редактировалось cherkas 18 окт 2020, 16:30, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#103

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 15:35 Lots of teachers would disagree
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 15:35 Lots of teachers have already been infected,
However, schools and unis must work.
How do you know that lots of teachers disagree with her? Have you been walking around interviewing teachers lately? I think you are guessing again based on incomplete and insufficient data. Do you have any reliable data to back up your claim? How many teachers got sick? 5%, 10%, half of them?

As far as I know,(I have recently discussed the issue with my sister, a second-year student) some of the teachers (young relatively healthy individuals) are not that afraid of getting infected but they realise that they might bring the virus home and that makes them really scared.

While the rest of them (teachers over 55-60) are saying that online education is nowhere near as good as offline classes and they will fight against it every inch of the way.

However, they are not being entirely honest with their students - they are reluctant to teach students online simply because they are so used to teaching students in a traditional way that it's much harder for them to adapt to the onslaught of technology and become as tech savvy as their students.

But there's one thing both groups hate the most. Total control over their actions. You can't miss your class and you are required to plan every single thing ahead knowing that if you don'd do it or do it halfheartedly it immediately becomes known to everybody.

ps of course that's just the observations of my sister and her fellow students.
Последний раз редактировалось mustang 18 окт 2020, 16:45, всего редактировалось 2 раза.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#104

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 16:27 How do you know that lots of teachers disagree with her? Have you been walking around interviewing teachers lately?
Yes and yes. Even on this site.
But as I can see, Julie doesn't want us to discuss the topic here.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#105

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 16:28 Yes and yes. Even on this site.
But as I can see, Julie doesn't want us to discuss the topic here.
Again, how do you know that many teachers have already been infected? Do you have any number in mind?
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#106

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang, cause I know about some of my son's school teachers, I know the situation at some unis too.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#107

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:09 mustang, cause I know about some of my son's school teachers, I know the situation at some unis too.
So what? The situation may drastically differ from school to school/from country to country. Besides, you got just a tiny piece of the huge puzzle but still feel like you are in a position to go around telling people what they should be doing? Maybe you got it all wrong?
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#108

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 16:27 While the rest of them (teachers over 55-60) are saying that online education is nowhere near as good as offline classes and they will fight against it every inch of the way.
Your conclusions are wrong... The thing is not about the age, but about a school subject or a university course, first, and second, whether it's the school or the uni, they are absolutely different institutions. Uni students are supposed to be motivated adults, while the school is supposed to teach all, it deals with mass education.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#109

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:17So what?
The situations in our countries are similar. The wave came to us at one time, and it's been developing in a similar way.
mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:17 you are in a position to go around telling people what they should be doing
Not at all. I'm telling what states mustn't do as their policy, especially mine, not what people should feel.
Последний раз редактировалось cherkas 18 окт 2020, 17:30, всего редактировалось 4 раза.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#110

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:21 Your conclusions are wrong...
It's not my conclusions. Had you read my post carefully you would not have missed what I wrote at the end of my message. I, unlike you, undesratand that there's a lot of variables involved.

I ask my queation one more time. How many teachers have been infected percentage wise? If you don't know the real number just say so.
Аватара пользователя
Juliemiracle
Сообщения: 4482
Зарегистрирован: 02 мар 2018, 18:25
Благодарил (а): 1174 раза
Поблагодарили: 2564 раза

#111

Сообщение Juliemiracle »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 16:27 they realise that they might bring the virus home and that makes them really scared
Exactly. In my family, I have one person with a blood-clotting problem, which is very risky in case of covid, another one who's undergone oncology-related surgery this year. So, I'm not keen on testing this herd immunity concept on them at all. I realise that they're nothing to most people, but they matter to me, and I can't understand why my students' job prospects should take precedence over my loved ones.
За это сообщение автора Juliemiracle поблагодарил:
mustang
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#112

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:29 How many teachers have been infected percentage wise? If you don't know the real number just say so.
I don't know the number if you mean statistics. I don't think such statitics exists at all.
But, in fact, I don't think, either, it matters at all. The discussion was here: Дистанционое обучение, дистанционка (Системы образования разных стран)

And partially here, starting from this post: cherkas (Коронавирус)
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#113

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:26 The situations in our countries are similar. The wave came to us at one time, and it's been developing in similar way.
No. Russia has a much larger population which means there's more potential hosts for the virus and it's much harder for the authorities to contain it.

Also Russia is a freakishly vast country with many climate zones. In some remote parts of the country the average fall temperature is way way lower than that of Ukraine and people there are more likely to catch a common cold (or something similar) and become more vulnerable to the virus.
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:35 I don't know the number if you mean statistics. I don't think such statitics exists at all.
So it's just guesswork on your part? Am I right? You simply don't have any reliable data to prove your point but still believe that what you are saying is 100% true:)). Based on what, I wonder? Your son's school?
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:35 I don't think, either, it matters at all.
No that's the only thing that really does matter. And without it your words are just, you know, words, a series of latin letters.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#114

Сообщение cherkas »

By the way, the first case with an elederly man is about a uni professor, not exactly a uni but a kind of. That's my uncle. So, yes, a big part of their faculty have already been infected. But. It's a kind of a very practical educational institution, if they don't work face to face, you can just hang a big lock on their doors. Nevertheless, they aren't happy with, so to say, "distant eduction" which is absolutely senseless in this case.
Another example, my friend teaches a big deal of technical disciplines at a uni, she just can't do it via zoom or whatever, it's practice. She's absolutely against quarantine as a teacher.
What should their students do, especially those who have payed fee? As for me, I'd recommend filing a claim with the the European Court of Human Rights.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#115

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:49 No. Russia has a much larger population which means there's more potential hosts for the virus and it's much harder for the authorities to contain it.
We're talking about a worldwide policy. The Russian territory is also much bigger, that means quite smaller population density. You can see it even on the map, the distances between towns and cities are very long.
mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 17:49 So it's just guesswork on your part? Am I right? You simply don't have any reliable data to prove your point but still believe that what you are saying is 100% true:)). Based on what, I wonder? Your son's school?
I've told you , it doesn't matter. It'll tke us EIGHT YEARS to get the herb immunity against covid-19. What are you going to do all these years? Even if it lasts 2 or 3 years, are you going to get used to lockdowns and allow this genertion to stay without education?
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#116

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:02 As for me, I'd recommend filing a claim with the the European Court of Human Rights.
Oh god, don't they have anything better to do? To stay at home and study hard perhaps?

And you know what, many of them think in a similar way, at least here in Russia. They'd rathey stay at home and use their time productively than spend it on commuting back and forth and listening to an elderly professor droning on and on about stuff that most students won't understand on the first try anyway.
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:10 that means quite smaller population density.
Yes, but it doesn't really make any difference. Maybe a hundred years ago relatively thinly-populated areas would have been less affected by the virus but today, in the 21st century, anyone can travel thousands of kilometers in just a few hours , move from one part of the country to another spreading the virus across the country at an astonishingly rapid rate.
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:10 I've told you , it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter to you but it does to all russian teachers who are not willing to put their loved ones lives at risk.
Until you have this vital piece of information you can't be sure of anything.
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:10 and allow this genertion to stay without education?

Really? We got all we need to teach people online about virtually anything. Some teachers just don't want to for various reasons.
Последний раз редактировалось mustang 18 окт 2020, 19:00, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#117

Сообщение mustang »

Juliemiracle,

СпойлерПоказать
Sorry, Julie, just got sucked into another meaningless argument with Cherkas.:)
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#118

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:35 We got all we need to teach people online about virtually anything. Some teachers just don't want to for various reasons.
Bullshit. Remember, there are different proffessions, first. Try to teach a violinist, a surgent, or a builder via zoom - first.
Second. Kids are not adults.
mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:49Sorry, Julie,
Year, thar was you who started it all ;)
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#119

Сообщение cherkas »

mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 18:35 It doesn't matter to you but it does to all /.../ teachers who are not willing to put their loved ones lives at risk.
if they are going to hide 8, or even 2-3 years, i think, they'd rather find another job, forgive my frankness. there are a lot of professions with medical restrictions.
russian or not - it doesn't matter as it's a global problem. i'm not telling what to do russians exactly.
Последний раз редактировалось cherkas 18 окт 2020, 19:14, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#120

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:02 Try to teach a violinist, a surgent, or a builder via zoom - first.
I don't think that a few months spent at home will really hurt their chances of becoming a good surgeoun or a musician that badly. By the end of 2020 - the first quarter of 2021 a lot of people will have been inoculated against the virus.
Mary May
Сообщения: 2285
Зарегистрирован: 28 фев 2018, 23:48
Благодарил (а): 2001 раз
Поблагодарили: 1438 раз

#121

Сообщение Mary May »

first... second...
...Third, not all kids are violinists, desperately in need of f2f education no matter what :)
Последний раз редактировалось Mary May 18 окт 2020, 19:15, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
mustang
Сообщения: 6070
Зарегистрирован: 23 май 2018, 06:17
Благодарил (а): 926 раз
Поблагодарили: 2040 раз

#122

Сообщение mustang »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:08 if they are going to hide 8, or even 2-3 years,
You are seeing things that are not there.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#123

Сообщение cherkas »

Mary May пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:13 ...Third, not all kids are violinists, desperately in need of f2f education no matter what :)
True. Bu they suffer from the policy as well.
Half of professions and specialties are practical, what will you do with this?
mustang пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:12 I don't think that a few months
It's not about a few months, it has already been a few month. In general it will be years.
Аватара пользователя
cherkas
Сообщения: 11670
Зарегистрирован: 30 июл 2018, 18:53
Благодарил (а): 4794 раза
Поблагодарили: 3838 раз

#124

Сообщение cherkas »

have you seen my quotations in the other thread?
i do trust specialists in microbiology whose job is studying viruses. they don't understand politicians' optimism that the solution will be found in a few months or the virus will disappear.
Mary May
Сообщения: 2285
Зарегистрирован: 28 фев 2018, 23:48
Благодарил (а): 2001 раз
Поблагодарили: 1438 раз

#125

Сообщение Mary May »

cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:16 what will you do with this?
cherkas пишет: 18 окт 2020, 19:20 have you seen my quotations in the other thread?
Have you seen my answer in the other thread? :)
Mary May пишет: 18 окт 2020, 14:47
... не бороться всеми силами с дистанционным образованием надо, а думать, как сделать его лучше.
И работать над этим.
- because it will last. No end to it in the near future.
Последний раз редактировалось Mary May 18 окт 2020, 19:28, всего редактировалось 1 раз.
За это сообщение автора Mary May поблагодарил:
mustang
Ответить

Вернуться в «Персональные темы»