Dragon27 пишет: ↑07 фев 2020, 20:47
With the right
frame of reference attitude, it shouldn't be put any more strain on the conversation.
The right attitude to the wrong thing is obviously to avoid doing it. Chasing two hares is the wrong thing, so it's best avoided. I am not going to forbid anyone from learning anything. What is wrong, in my view, is making it a requirement. Let's see what you actually said in that post. "Hello, guys, I would like to join your conversation, but I see that you are talking nonsense here because your ideas are misconceptions and your terminology is outdated. So I suggest that you go learn the correct and up-to-date ones, and then we can have a nice chat."
The first reaction to that is, quite naturally, "Wait a minute. We are already having a nice chat and have had it for quite a while in three threads with many pages and dozens of posts. Since we haven't needed for that either modern terminology or correct scientific concepts, we don't see why we should need them now". That is a reasonable objection, isn't it? You promise us what we already have and expect us to do some work for it.
There is a good rule: "If it works, don't fix it". Because you may not understand all the details of how and why it works, and you may break it with your supposed fix.
These three threads have actually turned into a kind of writing club with, so far, two members. The relaxed atmosphere of this club is due to the tacit agreement between its members about the non-seriousness of our discussions. Whatever we write here is, by default, not serious. Simply because our goal is to improve our writing and we focus on it. All that helps it is good and all that hampers it is bad. Non-seriousness definitely helps because we can write whatever comes to mind and can digress from the topic however we like. This helps us write more and therefore gives us more practice.
Seriousness isn't forbidden as such, only it shouldn't be a requirement and shouldn't be expected. I believe this has a great liberating effect which helps unleash our writing. This is what your fix may break.
Besides, you are a newcomer to the club and shouldn't begin with requirements. If you had participated for a long time and helped a lot to keep the club running, then your suggestions would carry some weight because we would be unwilling to part with you, but now you are just a passer-by and will most likely remain one, judging by your activity on the forum, even if we agree to your suggestions.
If you want a serious scientific discussion, I can sympathize with your disappointment at what you see going on here. However, it's so for a reason, and I personally feel no urge to change it.