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Собственно, вот статья удалено
В ней все написано.
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gloffs пишет: 02 ноя 2019, 18:00 Listen up. Business English is one thing and grammar is another. The textbook "Market Leader" contains some grammar exercises which we will tackle in due course.
First of all, I asked you about the situations when you don't use a coursebook because:
1) you're so much against them;
2) you made it clear that you're using this book only to please the language school.
So, if you work as you want (without any boring textbooks) what do you do concerning grammar? If you don't teach/practise it at all, how do your students acquire it? Because not matter what kind of English - General or Business - we're talking about, I can't imagine how you can teach someone to read/understand/write/speak without any knowledge about language at all.
Would you please humour me with an explanation?
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Juliemiracle пишет: 02 ноя 2019, 22:23 Would you please humour me with an explanation?
1. Ordinarilly it is supposed that business English is taught at least to those students who have attained intermediate level and the students should know basic grammar at this level.
2. I think that business English should be separated from general English and students can study grammar at the lessons of general English.
3. As regards regular and boring textbooks like Market Leader I would substitute text material in this textbook by articles on some websites that I monitor.
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gloffs,
gloffs пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 07:54 Ordinarilly it is supposed that business English is taught at least to those students who have attained intermediate level and the students should know basic grammar at this level.
Well, what about the fact that some Business English books start at an Elementary level? There are even some Starter levels, I suppose.
But your teaching starts with at least Intermediate, right? How convenient :)
gloffs пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 07:54 I think that business English should be separated from general English and students can study grammar at the lessons of general English.
Do you mean that if someone takes classes with you, they also have to have General English classes with someone else? Are there lots of ppl who agree to that?
gloffs пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 07:54 As regards regular and boring textbooks like Market Leader I would substitute text material in this textbook by articles on some websites that I monitor.
Actually, I'd have to agree concerning Market Leader - I dislike the book as well. But there are far better BE coursebooks out there, why not try them?
Plus, still the same question: providing you squeeze random articles here or there, how do you recirculate the lexis etc from them later on?
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gloffs,
try Intelligent Business to save yourself from boredom
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gloffs пишет: 01 ноя 2019, 22:28 But I am not a scammer.
Yet you do sound like one. One who so very much wants to get a free ride. Try to forget about your product and your website for the time being. It's just annoying for many people in case you didn't notice. The forum is not google adwords. Actually, it occasionally is but the annoying ads on the bottom are paid for by businesses; so you might wanna try this approach.
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Xander пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 10:34 but the annoying ads on the bottom are paid for by businesses; so you might wanna try this approach.
How about the fact that I am spending my time explaining away my method, dude? Why on earth must I put so much effort in doing it without any payment? How about that, dude?
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Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 09:57 Well, what about the fact that some Business English books start at an Elementary level? There are even some Starter levels, I suppose.
You know. I was always of an opinion that usually business English is taught to advanced students.
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Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 09:57 Do you mean that if someone takes classes with you, they also have to have General English classes with someone else? Are there lots of ppl who agree to that?
This problem can be solved very easily by taking classes of general English with me as well. As simple as that.
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Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 09:57 Plus, still the same question: providing you squeeze random articles here or there, how do you recirculate the lexis etc from them later on?
You know, if you have a good look at the articles in business press and web resources on business you will notice that as a rule main business terms are used there time and again. Therefore they recirculate by themselves, so to say.
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gloffs пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 11:45 by taking classes of general English with me
It’s no worth wasting your precious time. There is a wonderful service on the Internet called Glossika for such a purpose. Give it a try. After a while when your students are prepared well enough proceed to teach them Business English.
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Xander пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 10:18 try Intelligent Business to save yourself from boredom
May be it's not so boring as the Market Leader but my method is better because it is based on the real business events that are taking place right now rather than some boring hypothetical situations. That's the beauty of my method. Only an expert in business English can sift through thousands of pages and find those that are of interest to students. On the contrary regular teachers have to rely on the coursebooks containing boring articles on the events that are irrelevant to the student and he might fall asleep reading such material.
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Ленья пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 11:58 It’s no worth wasting your precious time. There is a wonderful service on the Internet called Glossika for such a purpose. Give it a try. After a while when your students are prepared well enough proceed to teach them Business English.
Thanks a lot, dude. I will give it a try.
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gloffs пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 12:02 Therefore they recirculate by themselves, so to say.
Точно, рециркулируют, не тонут. )))
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I think the word 'recycle' got lost in the shuffle.
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Роман Молти пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 12:23 I think the word 'recycle' got lost in the shuffle.
I like it better with recirculate. Paints some picture of the whole "method". :-) And of this thread as well. :-)
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Easy-Breezy English, Роман Молти,
my fault, guys. I was the first one to use this awkward word :)
Because I came across 'lexis revision & recirculation' in some ELT book. Turns out it was not the best of collocations.
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Juliemiracle, that's okay. Happens to the best of us:)
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Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 12:53 I was the first one to use this awkward word :)
Why, it's a great word. Only fitting here. :-)
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Easy-Breezy English,
well, yeah, if we think about articles... :)
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gloffs, Well, Dude, you may succeed yet. If you want your legacy to be remembered in the annals of our forum you have to reveal the hallmark of your approach. It should be something memorable. For instance, “My students must chant the mantra”, “They have to use a giant screen monitor”, “The flash cards must be made of green cardboard”, “My students must wear a turquoise necklace”, you name it. We’ve been creating our unique “method” here brainstorming (Флудилка) Your name could have already been among the credits. But you haven’t clarified yet how your mind-boggling approach works. Don’t miss the last chance!
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Ленья,
the way I see it he simply uses authentic materials, that's all. Takes no less than Intermediate students, not to bother with the basics. Is probably similar to classes with some natives when you both read some article/watch some video and then discuss it. Nothing ground-breaking. Well, might motivate some students, but to call it a revolutionary method?
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Ленья пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 13:49 “My students must wear a turquoise necklace”
I vote for pink tutus. Nothing helps to impress your business partners like a pink tutu.
Your language proficiency level becomes pretty much irrelevant.
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Juliemiracle,
Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 14:25 he simply uses...
But he claims that
gloffs пишет: 31 окт 2019, 07:54 Я автор нового революционного метода обучения Business English
Don't deprive me of my hope, don't kill my dream...
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Easy-Breezy English, he should hire you to help him to come up with something great!
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Juliemiracle пишет: 03 ноя 2019, 14:25 but to call it a revolutionary method?
Hello! It's a revolution! It's a brave new world.
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