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acapnotic, again I agree with you
I've just tried to have a look from the other side of the thing. You started this thread that someone wrote in Russian and said that other participants were trolls, but from our point of view he is not alone as there are several or even more people who are like him but he likes writing about niggas, and they like writing about students. Is there a big difference between niggas and students it terms of studying English while all such discussions are in Russian? Therefore, I must arrive at a conclusion that not only he is a troll here. Like you wrote, there are some people who are tired of English whether they know it or not, and who turn up here just to write out something that concerns them independently of whether they think it could be interesting for anybody else or not.
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Michelangelo, he actually doesn't like writing about niggas. He posts videos with them and asks some questions, and that's all. Bearing in mind how long he has been around, he could have written tons of words about niggas. I don't know who would have read them, though, but this is another question. He probably wants us to write about niggas, to get obsessed with them, etc. And he would silently watch all that and be happy. When he saw that it wasn't going to happen, he got disappointed. I think you are right that he is lazy. Maybe even his beloved niggas would be shocked by his laziness and would kick him out of their company. But who knows? Niggas are terra incognita to me. I've never been interested in their culture. Maybe laziness is highly respected among them and our Nigga would be the king of all lazy niggas and they would worship him.
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acapnotic, sometimes I tried to write in his topics about niggas or anything regarding niggas or his attitudes to niggas, but he called me a troll and complained to the admin about my interfering with his topics. Therefore I decided that he didn't want anybody to write in his topics and I have restricted myself from writing there. I can do it when an idea that maybe he has changed could come into my head, but then I again could see that he remained the same lazy bones. So I suggest that everybody should give up on him. That will save our time, and his nerves so that he didn't have any trolls in his topics any more.
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Michelangelo пишет: 27 дек 2019, 17:15 I can do it when an idea that maybe he has changed could come into my head
People don't change overnight. You probably know that they may visit psychoanalists for years with only moderate improvement in their mind condition. God only knows how much money has been spent on that. I suspect that really gifted professionals are as rare among psychoanalysts as in any other field. You are very lucky if you come across one of them. Others probably just follow some instructions they read in a book and only half-understood. Besides, who knows why their patients come to them. Maybe just for company and chat. Maybe they are happy to find someone slightly interested in their problems, or at least pretending to be interested to earn their money. I don't think our Nigga has enough money to pay a good specialist for several years or even decades until one of them dies of old age or develops a senile dementia. Then the other one will be able to at least congratulate himself that he has won the race.
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acapnotic, actually I don't address him every morning. I could usually wait for several weeks or even months before I would make another attempt to write to him and make sure that he hasn't changed and haven't even wanted to change. He is either handicapped or so lazy that doesn't even want to learn those songs whose lyrics he requested to sent him by heart so that his beloved singers would become part of his life. He likes only to keep posting weird requests and he never answers to messages unless those are eulogistic messages. I don't know how he had found our forum and why he decided that this forum is precisely that that could help him understand niggas. For one, if I were him, I would look for niggas' forums to understand them and to learn their language. It is completely understandable that they have their own language which must be learn on special forums not on those where people studying English have come together. Niggas is a special group having their own traditions and their own language even though they use words similar to English words they distorted them and put absolutely differently as compared with English people.
I agree that those studying English must not answer to his weird questions about niggas. Most of our members they are niggafobs and they not only want to meet niggas they are even afraid of talking about them - why they should write anything about them?
I think he doesn't have to pay any psychoanalysts any money, as his problem is a psychiatric one. He was born in a wrong body and in a wrong country. He just should move to his brother and they will love him and understand him. Here he would be hardly understood by anyone having the mentality of the homo sovieticus. We have lived separately from the whole world and we loved niggas only virtually as we didn't know who they were, even after we learned that they like eating other people especially French ambassadors. We still continued to love them as we were sure that they wouldn't even come here to eat us and we were sure that we would never go there to be eaten. Nigga loves them differently. He loves them like a close relative loves another close relative or even like a brother love a sister. We won't be able to understand that ever. Neither will we understand his way of writing as even those he writes in Russian he started using their grammar already, and that could be understood only by those whose mentality is like his and not of homo sovieticus.
Therefore, his problem is not a problem at all. He just lives among wrong people and in a wrong country.
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Michelangelo, Frenchmen are famous for their cuisine. Those niggas probably thought that Frenchmen themselves must be delicious because of that. I think they were bitterly disappointed, especially if the ambassador was old. But at least he must have been white and so gave them a feeling of variety.

As for our Nigga, I think you are right that he should go to nigga forums, and this is why: he should look there for a nigga who wants to be a 'young white ass boy'. Then they both should look for a sorcerer who could exchange their souls and thus make them both happy. If that nigga lived in Africa, I think it wouldn't be too difficult for him to find such a sorcerer. If the sorcerer proved to be a fake one, they could at least cook and eat him to compensate for the expenses.
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They say that most wizards live on Haiti, and I am not sure that Haiti is native for them. There are some other wizards living in Africa too. No problem to find one there :) IMHO
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Michelangelo, they could also find a neurosurgeon who will exchange their brains. Only they will have to make sure he is not a man eater, because otherwise he may not stand the temptation to cook and eat their brains instead of exchanging them. Imagine that you wake up after an operation and learn that your brain has been eaten by a hungry surgeon. I bet you won't be very happy about such a turn in your life.
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acapnotic пишет: 29 дек 2019, 17:44 they could also find a neurosurgeon
Let’s leave surgeons alone. They could be different like anybody on this Earth, and sometime they really could eat brain of their patients.
Let’s look into the causes of behavior of those trolls who are trollofobs.

I noticed that they could complain on flooding certain topics by somebody who could post one or to post to those topics, where they complain, however, by posting their complains they could create many many threads and more and more trolls could be attracted to such topics and they could flood such a topic completely. Do you think they do that because of such a stressful conditions of theirs, when they are subjected to that trollofobia, or they do that consciously understanding that they let themselves troll the others under pretend of trollofobia?

Moreover, I noticed that always the same trolls were get together to attack somebody who was too careless to write something that they could use as pretence for attacking her/him.

I think those trolls only make believe that they are trollofobs so that they could represent themselves as fighters against trolls and ignore opinions of the other people who wouldn’t become happy of having their endless posts in their threads.

I think that is the most probable reason why some people have that trollophobia – because they are afraid of being called trolls that is why they attack others whose posts they dislike in one way or another.
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Michelangelo пишет: 29 янв 2020, 16:31 Let’s look into the causes of behavior of those trolls who are trollofobs.
For what purpose? Do you hope to correct their behavior if you manage to understand it? Understanding is not enough here because you don't have access to their control panels. If you were a neurosurgeon and managed to get their brains into your hands, then maybe you could repair them. Or cook and eat them if everything else failed. But all you now can is send them messages. Yes, words are powerful, but only if you know how to use them effectively. If you knew, you'd already be a great leader or a very successful conman, or both. Maybe the name of your country's president would be yours now or you'd be one of those who control him from behind the scenes.
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acapnotic пишет: 30 янв 2020, 14:08 For what purpose?

Just for fun. What other purpose could be persuaded here? By doing so we can convince ourselves in whether it is a good thing to troll, or it is a good thing to have trollophobia and not participate in any forums at all.

If we understand those whom we consider trolls, we will understand whether we are not in the same role when writing on the forum, and what we shall do if it is a case. Whether people are offended when we write something in their threads or they are happy that somebody pays attention to their writing. Maybe most of people don’t even expect to receive any answer and we are doing wrong when we answer them. For one I rarely know an exact answer. I have an idea about the question and I am explaining how I understand, but it doesn’t mean that everybody understands in the same way. That is why the thread could extend – because everybody could give out their own idea without having proper answers in stock. Sometimes people who know how to process the exact rule, could give such an explanation that it could not be understood by some or most of students, therefore, they would ask even more questions. Does it mean that they are all trolls and the TS must be afraid of them? Once we understand that, we may restrict ourselves from writing something in what you have doubts yourself. I am not going to try to understand how all the processes leading to trollophobia go inside somebody’s cranium, I just wanted to know how it is seen outside, whether they are feeling fear, or happiness, or respect, or offence. Once I start to understand their feelings, I will try to change my behavior. I know that some people consider me a troll, and actually I post a lot of unnecessary posts – that is true. But then those people start to write to me in those threads by extending those threads even wider than me did, and they don’t consider trolls themselves. I would want to know why when they troll – it is a norm, but when I do even less in terms of trolling, they started to show me my place. Isn’t it just weird? I know you understand this situation, as you wrote about a similar situation, that why you initiated this topic.

I don’t think we need to investigate the issue physically by eating somebody’s brain. I think we can try to put ourselves into their shoes and try to feel what they feel when they run into somebody who writes irrelevant (as they see them) messages in their topics.
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Michelangelo, maybe trollophobes are lacking in humor. They take themselves very seriously and think that joking is inappropriate in communication with them. Joking often contains a bit of teasing and I think that's what is mistaken for trolling by such people. Is teasing a kind of trolling? I think there is a difference, like between irony and sarcasm. Irony is based on a friendly or neutral attitude, whereas sarcasm on a hostile one. Probably in some cases it's not so easy to tell one from the other. If you are in a gloomy mood, you tend to see aggression behind every joke. Playful attacks may be mistaken for real ones.
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acapnotic пишет: 31 янв 2020, 14:52 maybe trollophobes are lacking in humor.
Maybe. But maybe not. Let’s say not every trollophobe lacks humour, and not always. Sometimes they could be very humorous and joke all the time. They could start flooding one or several threads with their humour which could eventually become irritating and other trollophobes will call our trollophobes trolls. It happens very often and I believe you have noticed that already.

Actually trolling often could mean teasing, and otherwise, joking and teasing could be considered trolling by some categories of people, particularly who envy their jokes. If they cannot understand somebody’s idea or somebody’s joke, they will always call our humorous trollophobes trolls. But sometimes their jokes are funny and consistent with the current topic, but a storm in a glass could be made by other trolls-trollophobes who cannot understand a joke.
Irony is based on a friendly or neutral attitude, whereas sarcasm on a hostile one.
I think that for English people they are more or less the same. I cannot distinguish between irony and sarcasm, frankly speaking. And, of course, you are absolutely right that everything depends on your mood and you can take irony for aggression and get offended. Playful attacks must be also limited. Some people could stand to one-two-three jokes and then become irritated. Some people don’t mind a hundred of jokes. Some people just don’t pay attention to anything, they could stick to their ideas whatever happens like Astrologer. We have a lot of personalities and they are all different.
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Michelangelo пишет: 31 янв 2020, 16:11 Let’s say not every trollophobe lacks humour, and not always.
No, I'll refrain from saying that. How can I know whether it's true or not? It's unreasonable to assume anything without solid grounds, isn't it?
Michelangelo пишет: 31 янв 2020, 16:11 Sometimes they could be very humorous and joke all the time.
Why should they be called trolls? Maybe they simply try to amuse others. They see a thread that seems dull and boring to them, so they decide to make some fun.
Michelangelo пишет: 31 янв 2020, 16:11 which could eventually become irritating and other trollophobes will call our trollophobes trolls.
That might result from their confused minds. A good neurosurgeon could solve this problem in half an hour, I guess. He would simply cut out one part of their brain which conflicts with another, and that would set things straight.
Michelangelo пишет: 31 янв 2020, 16:11 I think that for English people they are more or less the same.
Only to the ignorant ones, I believe. I believe there are a lot of them in England as well. They don't care about word meanings and rely fully on context and on the astuteness of those who they speak to. As a result, you can never be sure you understand them correctly. Maybe when they said 'A', they actually meant 'B'. Or perhaps they didn't know what they meant at all.
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acapnotic пишет: 02 фев 2020, 14:20 No, I'll refrain from saying that. How can I know whether it's true or not? It's unreasonable to assume anything without solid grounds, isn't it?
Do you think we have the only limited number of trollophobes or every one of us could become a trollophobe at a certain period of time? If we have only one, two or three trollophobes, then we can study them and find out whether they are lack of humour or they like joking like most of us. In case every one of us can become a trollophobe, we cannot say about lack of humour in trollophobes in general, as some people have shown themselves rather as those who have a sense of humour.
If you have in mind only one person, who turned up before to rebuff your arguments, than I won’t assume anything without solid grounds. Why? Because that person started complaining that nobody wants to write in threads where he writes, which could mean that he is a trollophobe who likes complaining about trolls, but for that he needs them writing in his threads. Therefore, it is a kind of obvious masochism – a person likes complaining, but to have grounds under his complaints he invite trolls to his threads :). Isn’t it an evidence of his specific sense of humour?
A good neurosurgeon could solve this problem in half an hour, I guess.
Why should we to resort to such an extreme method of reconsolidation? Don’t you think that we sometimes can satisfy his need in feeling pain by writing in his threads and, therefore, amusing ourselves by practising English there, or exercising our sense of humour? Why are neurosurgeons necessary to be used? I think it is not an urgent need in them at the moment.

You could probably see that he is trying to change his nickname in hope that people wouldn’t be able to recognize him under another nick and start trolling him again so that he could satisfy his need in complaining and start a new circle of masochistic exercises. You see he is rather industrial and inventive in reaching his goal. Of course I’d rather restrain myself from writing in his threads and delivered him a nice feeling of sense of being humiliated. However, new participants on the forum who don’t know his inclination or, maybe, psychological issues, they would be glad to write to him until they knew him well enough to stop writing, and then he will change his nickname again :) Isn’t it humorous enough from his part?
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Michelangelo пишет: 03 фев 2020, 16:31 Do you think we have the only limited number of trollophobes
I know only one. Maybe that's because I don't participate in every discussion and haven't seen the others. This particular trollophobe seems indeed to lack a sense of humor, or it might be different from mine, that's why there is misunderstanding between us. As far as I can judge, you also have problems understanding him. Changing nicknames won't hide him, just as it didn't in the past. Actually I have no idea why he even wants to change them. It seems pointless. Maybe it's the only way he can amuse himself on this forum, since his threads are not very popular. We can only guess.

Yes, we could go on posting to his threads, but I don't see any sense in doing so. Probably because I am not a troll. Yes, he might secretly want us to do that but that's not for sure, and I am personally not interested in such one-sided conversations. We can practise in this thread and in the other two.
Michelangelo пишет: 03 фев 2020, 16:31 or every one of us could become a trollophobe at a certain period of time?
Maybe such situational trollophobia is possible, but I don't know if it deserves the name of phobia. It's just a mood maybe that can come and go. We all can feel vulnerable at times. But if it stays with you and becomes a persistent part of your behavior, then it's a phobia.
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acapnotic пишет: 04 фев 2020, 08:00 I know only one. Maybe that's because I don't participate in every discussion and haven't seen the others.
Yes, such a downright trollophobe is only one. However, we could notice some people who could raise the questions regarding trolls from time to time. They are about the same people. Of course their complaints are mainly grounded, however, they could become trolls themselves from time to time as far as I could notice.

As to humour, we cannot understand English humour, can we? Maybe he is humorous but his humour is negro’s one, therefore, he cannot understand Russian humour and we cannot understand his. I think it is quite possible. I think when he is on negros’ forums they have a lot of fun together understanding each other’s humour perfectly well.

You are saying that changing a nickname won’t conceal him. However, we know some examples or an example when after changing the nickname and IP people could also change their personalities and we can only guess that they are the same people by only vague traces that betray them. Do you think Popsicle is new on this forum or she is somebody’s reincarnation? I could guess only, but I cannot be sure. There are some traits which reminds me somebody pretty well, but in the same time she has absolutely different legend and it is highly intriguing to follow her messages to find out and compare some of those traces. Isn’t it exiting?

I am sure he could pretend to be somebody else as well, but he would need to change his legend completely for which he must get rid of all his messages and profile so that nobody could have anything to compare with in case his new reincarnation may develop old traits.

I think that posting to his thread is a bad idea. You can see that now he is just looking for anybody to write to him, he needs trolling and flooding in his thread badly. See he is even asking whether moderators will remove his profile so he could hide away and start everything from scratch. I hope everybody will understand his trick and nobody will ever write in his threads again. Maybe only by this action he will be forced to start learning negro’s language seriously once he is going to have surgery to become one of them.

As to practising in these threads, it is a good idea, however we need new ideas as the previous ideas are exhausted as of now. We need something to reinvent or renew in order to make our posts more productive and more diverse.
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Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 we cannot understand English humour, can we?
Why? Is Mr. Bean English humor? Don't you understand it? I think jokes are pretty obvious there. It might look a bit strange and maybe such films are unlikely to be made in our countries, but still, what's so incomprehensible in them?
Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 Maybe he is humorous but his humour is negro’s one, therefore, he cannot understand Russian humour and we cannot understand his.
I guess we develop our sense of humor as we grow up. Since he wasn't born and raised by niggas, he is unlikely to have acquired their sense of humor (if it's really different). Watching nigga videos isn't going to help much, I think.
Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 Do you think Popsicle is new on this forum or she is somebody’s reincarnation?
But that's no secret, as far as I remember. Someone has already revealed her previous names in some thread. But I don't have an opinion on this.
Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 I am sure he could pretend to be somebody else as well
That seems unlikely. I think he is incapable of that.
Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 You can see that now he is just looking for anybody to write to him, he needs trolling and flooding in his thread badly.
Hmm... No, frankly speaking I don't see why you think so.
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acapnotic пишет: 05 фев 2020, 12:45 Is Mr. Bean English humor?
I can just say that I never laugh when I watch Mr. Bean. I cannot understand such kind of humour, that is why I think that I just don’t understand English humour like Americans weren’t able to understand Zadornov’s humour and banned him from visiting the USA. They thought that Zadornov really consider them dull and moronic and they weren’t able to understand that he was just sarcastic and what he really meant is that Russians were in his mind when he spoke about Americans.
acapnotic пишет: 05 фев 2020, 12:45 It might look a bit strange and maybe such films are unlikely to be made in our countries, but still, what's so incomprehensible in them?
What’s so incomprehensible in English films? What’s comprehensible in them? They were brought up in their special way and we don’t know in which exactly and we don’t know their background information, we didn’t attend nursery and primary school with them where they learnt basic English humour. We won’t ever understand them likewise they won’t understand our humour. I think Ukrainians will stop understand Russian humour in due course of time if they stop communications. It is easy – people who don’t have common basics won’t understand each other in full ever. We can learn something and we could find some similarities and we can laugh when we see some similarities between their and our humour, but that is a limit to understanding. Those who learnt their culture within the environment will laugh more heartily, and if they got into that environment in young age maybe even will comprehend everything, but we who studied English in matured age, we won’t understand those subtleties of English humour in full. Just a small part of them if we try hard.
acapnotic пишет: 05 фев 2020, 12:45 I guess we develop our sense of humor as we grow up. Since he wasn't born and raised by niggas, he is unlikely to have acquired their sense of humor
Saying that nigga cannot understand niggas as he was brought up in our environment, you just confirm my words above. We weren’t raised by English people, therefore, it is unlikely to have full comprehension of their humour.

I think that nigga can successfully play a part of somebody else, but, of course, he must put enough effort to that behaviour. It is unlikely that he could force himself to do so due to his laziness, though.

Additionally I can see that he wants to delete his profile and all his messages. It could be a sign that he wants to become somebody else and he wants that nobody could understand that he has changed. However, maybe he is just playing the fool and he doesn’t want to change anything in his life.
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Michelangelo пишет: 06 фев 2020, 15:57 Saying that nigga cannot understand niggas as he was brought up in our environment, you just confirm my words above.
No, I didn't say that. I said that the misunderstanding between him and us can't be due to him having a nigga's sense of humor. That's all. Whether their humor is so different that we can't understand it, I don't know. It might have some peculiarities but still be understandable most of the time, for example. But that's irrelevant to what I said. I only meant that your explanation hadn't convinced me.
Michelangelo пишет: 06 фев 2020, 15:57 Additionally I can see that he wants to delete his profile and all his messages. It could be a sign that he wants to become somebody else
He just wants a new name. For what purpose, I have no idea.
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Michelangelo пишет: 04 фев 2020, 14:49 Maybe he is humorous but his humour is negro’s one, therefore, he cannot understand Russian humour and we cannot understand his.
acapnotic пишет: 05 фев 2020, 12:45 I guess we develop our sense of humor as we grow up. Since he wasn't born and raised by niggas, he is unlikely to have acquired their sense of humor (if it's really different).
Michelangelo пишет: 06 фев 2020, 15:57 Saying that nigga cannot understand niggas as he was brought up in our environment, you just confirm my words above.
acapnotic пишет: 06 фев 2020, 16:28 No, I didn't say that. I said that the misunderstanding between him and us can't be due to him having a nigga's sense of humor.
In this, a kind of contradiction I can see. Let's summarise.

First I said that maybe he has a nigga's sense of humour.
You responded that he wasn't raised by niggas that is why it was likely not the case that he could have their sense of humour.
By saying that you confirmed my words, I meant that by acknowledging that he cannot have nigga's sense of humour, you confirmed my words that we had to be raised in appropriate environment to understand what people say there, particularly in terms of their specific humour.

So I am just confused now. Tell me please whether in order to understand English humour, we should have born in that environment or at least we should have created that environment to thoroughly study the background, or not. I think we should. Without that background information it is hardly possible to understand some other nation's humour. Don't you agree?
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Michelangelo пишет: 06 фев 2020, 16:43 Tell me please whether in order to understand English humour, we should have born in that environment
No, it doesn't look like we should. I understand the humor of Mr. Bean films even though I wasn't born and raised in the UK. Maybe I miss some nuances, but that only means that my understanding isn't 100%.

Still, strictly speaking, my humor isn't English. So, if I didn't understand some of your jokes, for example, it wouldn't be because I had an English sense of humor. This explanation wouldn't work in that case, precisely because I wasn't born and raised by English people.

The same logic works for our friend Nigga.
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acapnotic пишет: 06 фев 2020, 18:21 So, if I didn't understand some of your jokes, for example, it wouldn't be because I had an English sense of humor.
By reading your messages I can only arrive at a conclusion that we have different degrees of sense of humour. My sense is maybe much lower than yours, that is why I measure that trollophobe's humour as high as mine and I think that I cannot understand any foreign kind of humour because I don’t know the background information which was a basis for that humour. I could understand the soviet humour, and now I can notice that not every joke produced in Russia could be understood by Ukrainians, even though we have lived together for so many years. Of course it makes me conclude that we cannot understand English humour as we have never been the Great Britain’s colony. Maybe you read a lot of English humorous books and developed your sense of humour, but I can hardly believe that nigga has read the same number of humorous books as yourself. That is why he cannot understand English humour, but it doesn’t mean that he is lacking a sense of humour completely.

Of course, if you cannot understand my jokes it is not because you are an Englishman, but there could be at least two reason of this misunderstanding. First, my jokes are dull and not funny. Second, we still live in different environments, even if we lived in the same country – it could be due to local background that we misunderstand each other’s jokes.
However, it is obvious that you couldn’t understand English people because you are not one of them. Not understanding my jokes doesn’t make you an Englishman, but as you are not an Englishman could mean that you could misinterpret some or many of English humour.

If our friend nigga doesn’t understand our jokes, it won’t mean that he is a real nigga, but the fact that he doesn’t understand niggas rap must mean that he is not a real nigga, but just pretend to be one.
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Michelangelo, well, I don't know much about Ukraine, maybe your humor is different to some extent. I've seen one Ukrainian political expert on TV who said that even the Russian language that is spoken in Ukraine is not the same as the one spoken in Russia. However, this claim seems to be an exaggeration. Whenever I hear a Ukrainian speaking Russian, I can't spot any such differences, except, rather rarely, some pronunciation peculiarities, like the pronunciation of 'g'. So I also have doubts about your claim that Ukrainians may not understand Russian humor. I think they may not understand who or what a joke is about, but that's another matter. Of course we may simply not know the person(s) about whom an Englishman is joking, but that doesn't imply any difference in our sense of humor; it only means that we don't have some information.

If you can't perform a calculation because you don't have all the numbers needed, that doesn't mean you don't know how to calculate or that you calculate differently from other people.
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acapnotic пишет: 10 фев 2020, 17:35 I've seen one Ukrainian political expert on TV who said that even the Russian language that is spoken in Ukraine is not the same as the one spoken in Russia.
The question is not in the language itself. Of course it is different and you will catch any Ukrainian in misusing some Russian collocations when you talk to them long enough, but in short conversation you may not find any difference but a slight accent. The question in the background information. I didn’t say that a person who doesn’t understand English humour is lacking a sense of humour at all, did I? I just say, that we won’t be able to understand some other nation humour because we don’t know the background information what you confirm by saying
Of course we may simply not know the person(s) about whom an Englishman is joking, but that doesn't imply any difference in our sense of humor; it only means that we don't have some information.
You said that nigga was lack or a sense of humour, and I answered that maybe he was not, but his sense or humour is different due to different upbringing, and different social background. He could laugh at niggas’ jokes but not at ours, or otherwise. You just insisted that he couldn’t understand any jokes, which cannot be proven via his messages here. He could hide his sense of humour, not reveal it, or just not understand our humour and take it for granted as serious messages. That is what I wanted to say.

To get back to Ukrainian humour. At times when we shared the central TV programmes, literature and films, as well as comics, we knew a lot of each other and could laugh at jokes which related to the entire Soviet Union. Now we almost don’t know anything about life in Russia, and that is why your humour is becoming less and less comprehensive for Ukrainians and I am not sure that Russians could be interested in Ukrainian humour at all. It doesn’t mean that the peoples don’t have sense of humour when they don’t laugh at each other’s jokes, it just mean that they don’t have the common background and they don’t know what they have to laugh at.

As to English humour, it is even more difficult as we have never had anything in common with the Great Britain or the USA. That is why their humour seems to us so subtle that we don’t even laugh at their jokes, or we could be even confused by their dull humour (like Zadornov said).
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