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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 июл 2019, 16:27 Hemingway actually made it a point to never drink before or while writing.
Did he really? LOL! So that's where his famous "always do sober what you said you'd do drunk" came from:-)
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VictorB пишет: 11 июл 2019, 17:37 "always do sober what you said you'd do drunk"
Ha ha ha! That's a great one!
Frantically trying to take stock of all the daring ideas I've ever had while under the influence.

BTW, did you know that one of Hemingway's sons actually went transgender? Ironic, isn't it? Or not entirely unexpected, I guess...
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tourist пишет: 09 июл 2019, 00:32 wow, that's more than up the wazoo
or out of it--less commonly, though))
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VictorB пишет: 11 июл 2019, 17:37 "always do sober what you said you'd do drunk"
Actually, it's “write drunk, edit sober”. But, reportedly, ol' Ham didn't do or even say that )

I, though, can say that it's not a bad idea, at least regarding translation, lol )
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Kind_Punk пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:31write drunk
That would actually be an interesting forum-wide experiment to stage. Everybody gets wasted and writes a paragraph in English.
It might also be a valuable contribution to the teachers' part of the forum. You know, as a teaching idea.
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 июл 2019, 17:51 BTW, did you know that one of Hemingway's sons actually went transgender?
I did not. I do now, and I don't care a damn)
Yet, here's the photo
Изображение
and the link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Hemingway
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:44 Everybody gets wasted and writes a paragraph in English.
That's how I write here, lol three times )
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:44 That would actually be an interesting forum-wide experiment to stage.
There are a few people on the forum who invariably give the impression of being stoned.
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Kind_Punk пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:52
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:44 Everybody gets wasted and writes a paragraph in English.
That's how I write here, lol three times )
Oh, let me just make a quick run to the kitchen.
Вот и посмотрим, кто тут икона стиля.

Lol five times.
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Kind_Punk пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:31 Actually, it's “write drunk, edit sober”.
The one I quoted is his too.
https://brightside.me/article/the-30-wi ... ife-77955/
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VictorB пишет: 11 июл 2019, 18:51 I don't care a damn
I actually do. It helps appreciate the ridiculous extent to which Hemingway's bogus machismo went.
Puts a lot of what he wrote in perspective.
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tourist пишет: 09 июл 2019, 00:06 Wanna be really linguistically intimidated ?
Watch "Billions" !
Care to share some specific scenes? Bring some quotes? Have watched a triple of episodes, must've missed out on their intimidability ...
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 09 июл 2019, 02:44 Honestly, I was a lot more impressed by The Human Stain, but we'll see.
Frankly, I wasn't impressed by American Pastoral either, to say the least. The last page though was brilliant, suddenly the whole book started to seem worth a read.
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 09 июл 2019, 02:44 It's not over till the fat lady, right? :-)
A fat thank you for such a vivid idiom.
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 09 июл 2019, 02:44 Thanks for наводка!
Not at all! Just bear in mind that I didn't, as much as I wanted to, specifically recommend reading any of above mentioned authors. If I were to, I'd say: go for Wallace, or Dostoyevsky. They are considerably easier to enjoy. )))
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 09 июл 2019, 01:52 Cool, thanks! Putting them on my reading list.
BTW, one of the most intriguing Light in August features turned out to be the title. I would never have guessed what it actually means. Not in a million years.
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Xander пишет: 11 июл 2019, 23:56 I would never have guessed what it actually means.
I'll try my best to resist the temptation of googling it. :-)
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 июл 2019, 15:27 I'll try my best to resist the temptation of googling it. :-)
You needn't. I've just read about it in Wikipedia and don't think it's anything special. It's about the weather in August in that place.
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acapnotic пишет: 12 июл 2019, 17:51 I've just read about it in Wikipedia and don't think it's anything special. It's about the weather in August in that place.
Yeah, right!
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acapnotic пишет: 12 июл 2019, 17:51 It's about the weather in August in that place.
Oh, you just HAD to ruin the suspense, huh? :-)
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 июл 2019, 17:54 Oh, you just HAD to ruin the suspense, huh? :-)
Not that I had to, but just thought, "Why not?" :) But I saved you some disappointment, didn't I? It was a good deed actually.
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Xander пишет: 11 июл 2019, 23:09 Frankly, I wasn't impressed by American Pastoral either, to say the least. The last page though was brilliant, suddenly the whole book started to seem worth a read.
FINALLY finished it. I think this is the longest it’s ever taken me to read a fiction book. Parts of it were mind-numbingly dull beyond any reason. I literally had to force myself to drag my way through it, but I prevailed in the end. So, hooray for me.

So, what do you think the message is? That you can’t ever know another person? That you can’t even truly know thyself? That you can’t control reality and should never attempt to? That you can't pigeonhole others into your version of the universe? What?
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 июл 2019, 15:27 I'll try my best to resist the temptation of googling it. :-)
Light in August means 'p__________t'. It's a slang term for 'p___________y'.
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 11 авг 2019, 18:28 So, what do you think the message is?
There are certainly layers of messages with various weights there. I feel out of my depth trying to summarize it, don't know how to put images in my mind into relevant words. There's surely should be an apt & concise idiom to describe the main idea, but I only managed to come up with the following mix: backseat driver stepping on someone's toes one at a time, finally breaking the camel's back with yet another polished, shiny albeit nearly invisible straw; silently yelling 'What the fork is going on!!???'.


Just thought of a better one:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The first meaning is not quite related to the main point of the novel, but the (c) another interpretation of the proverb means that trying to do something good often has unintended consequences which make things worse.
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Xander, you are quite a poet. :-)

The Swede and his father are clearly being punished for something. Ok, I understand the father, but is the Swede in the same category?

I guess the punishment follows their indulgence in pursuing a seemingly clear-cut, easily controllable and comfy idea of reality. Roth might have wanted to communicate that life is not reducible to that shallow model. However, this message would be so clichéd that I wonder if there’s something else there that I’m missing.

Could it be that Roth’s intention was to show that life is simply chaotic, absurd, and nothing more? That’s certainly the impression I got after reading The Human Stain. Something along the lines of McCarthy’s infatuation with pure violence. The beauty of destructiveness and absurdity.
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Вау, мой идеал стиля постом выше творит! Тсссс. Тишина в зале, не спугните музу!
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Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 авг 2019, 11:41 Xander, you are quite a poet. :-)
And you are quite kidding, right? ))
Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 авг 2019, 11:41 Ok, I understand the father, but is the Swede in the same category?
You're giving my memory too much credit. ) The fork moment blurred almost everything else out of the picture ...
Swede is the son, right? Hell of a wonderkid? Can't he be some sort of a collateral damage?

Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 авг 2019, 11:41 this message would be so clichéd that I wonder if there’s something else there that I’m missing
Yes, that's right, cliched. There's nothing new under the sun. Maybe it was a multi-layered message from Roth to some people who annoyed the hell out of him.

Easy-Breezy English пишет: 12 авг 2019, 11:41 Could it be that Roth’s intention was to show that life is simply chaotic, absurd, and nothing more?
Not the impression I got. The whole plot seemed to be extremely well-thought out, though causes of certain events were left unexplained, just as other connections between them. But on the surface level the story might look chaotic indeed.
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Не сотвори себе кумира и всякаго подобия, елика на
небеси горе, и елика на земли низу, и елика в водах
под землею: да не поклонишися им, ни послужиши им

Не делай себе идола, ни какого-либо изображения того,
что на небе, вверху, и что на земле внизу, и что
в водах под землей: не поклоняйся им и не служи им
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