...but Logic's Nowhere. Or... Maybe?..

[Mary May]

Xander,
I'm opening this thread as a stage for you to star on.

So, please change the heading to the one you'd like and - off we go!

??

[Xander]

Mary May,
Could you be more specific, please? )
Who cares about stars and stages (I mean that's not how I see this situation metaphorically))? People first of all need their problems solved and knowledge gaps filled. So far only three have identified themselves (you, tourist and me) as ones more or less interested in talking about logical issues, and, I hope, secure and brave enough to face their own reasoning fallacies and see them dissected. Of course we can still use someone else's flawed arguments (examples are aplenty) for practice, if that's what you had in mind starting this thread. )


Also I am fully aware of principles we live by:

No good deed should go unpunished.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

or Russian equivalent
No initiative goes unpunished.


As for

...but Logic's Nowhere. Or...

I take it as a joke. )) But I'm guessing some people out there are still unaware that even in the realm of ESL logic is in every exam imaginable; coherence is what it's called.

[Olya]

I prefer to call it a dumbed-down version of the three wise monkeys - see no tiger, hear no tiger, speak of no tiger.)

[Mary May]

tiger

- let's hope logic's not so dreadful and bloodthirsty, and we all survive ))

(if I get it right (?))

we can still use someone else's flawed arguments (examples are aplenty) for practice, if that's what you had in mind starting this thread. )

- I'd rather not - not to launch a new holy war;

[Xander]

- I'd rather not - not to launch a new holy war

Well, why don't you tell us what you do have in mind then? )

[Xander]

Reading a book on critical thinking. A couple of quotes.

"Unfortunately, logos — rational argumentation — is one of the least effective ways of winning someone to your point of view."

"People notoriously are unfazed by good arguments while finding even the worst arguments compelling. If you want to persuade people of something, try propaganda. Flattery has been known to work, too."

[Yety]

... If you want to persuade people of something, try propaganda. Flattery has been known to work, too."

So sad, but so true...
"... persuasion technique. It's his amazing use of metaphors. Now, metaphors are like a shortcut to persuasion..."